Learning in wonderland LO23769

From: Steve Eskow (dreskow@corp.webb.net)
Date: 01/14/00

Replying to LO23749 --

Rick asks:

>[Host's Note: Aleksandar, it's good to hear from you! Fellow readers, do
>we have any collaborative opportunities for Aleksandar? and for others?

Here is an offer to see if we can put our theories to work in the real

We have the communication technology in place to link the talents
participating in LO to that small piece of the "global economy"
represented by Aleksandar Raich and his troubled colleagues.

If we were a consulting company made up of experts, experts who specialize
in helping organizations like Aleksandar's learn to solve their problem,
how would we mobilize our talents to help?

I, for one, would like to do all that I could, apply all that I have
learned, in conjunction with others here, to see if we can make a
difference in YU.

Steve Eskow

[Host's Note: Thanks, Steve, for your offer.

I think there are two different possibilities:
 1. Aleksandar asked for opportunities for collaborative research in which
he might become involved.
 2. We might discuss here the situation of YU and talk about how it might
be improved.

Both are valid. But, in #2, it would be easy to fall into the "You
could..." -- "Yes, but..." game that was described in Berne's classic book
on Transactional Analysis. That would be ineffective for Aleksandar and
for us.

In particular, let's not forget Aleksandar's specific request: for
collaborative research projects that could productively include
co-investigators in YU.


>Last days here circulates a joke. At the YU-Hungarian border the
>custom-house officer controls baggage of a Lala (this is surname of
>native citizens of Vojvodina - the northern province of Serbia) which is
>leaving Yu for ever.

>This joke is a sign of actual social psychology in our wonderland. I
>talked with elite students and find out that their key motive for
>learning is - possibility for leaving YU and realizing professional
>career somewhere abroad (NZ, USA, Canada etc.). In my faculty I make a
>test, too. I offer to all of about 40 of my colleagues (from professors
>to young novices-assistents) if we would realize together a scientific
>project about career of top-performance athletes. I thought that this
>research project will open new field of research experience, that all of
>us will learn to learn collaboratively, and that this work will be
>fruitful investment to future practice of learning-research organization.
>Only three elder colleagues accepted my offer. Neither one young
>colleague never asked me about my idea. Later I understood why it was so.
>Nearly a half of my colleagues earns for everyday bread teaching classes
>for citizens (private sport schools for children). That way they earns
>tenfold than it is possible officially to earn maximally at our Faculty.

>This is background of my personal problem. Against depressive trends
>around me, during last year (especially during long days and nights of
>bombing), I was learning believing that this is only way for preserving
>mental health. In this endeavor my participation in the stream of ideas
>in LO-community helped me very much. Thanks to Internet, I understood
>that science, as common knowledge creation through permanent learning,
>becomes real community. But, how I can really participate in this
>community? How I can develop further and disseminate learning results in
>above described environment? Is it possible to participate
>collaboratively in some research or teaching project in real world (not
>wonderland)? Instead of prayer, I address my hope that somebody of you,
>dear LO-colleagues, perhaps will accept my offer for such a

>Best wishes!



Steve Eskow <dreskow@corp.webb.net>

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