Unlearning LO24210

From: Winfried Dressler (winfried.dressler@voith.de)
Date: 03/20/00

Replying to LO24201 --

Dear Morty,

today I have spent considerable time to write a contribution, which
heavily relies on irreversibility of time. This means that state 1 evolves
to state 2 which evolves further to state 3. Irreversible time means that
state 3 cannot be state 1 again. I hope you don't mind if I use symbols to
depict what I mean:

state 1 --(activity 1)--> state 2 --(activity 2)--> state 3

At least for John Zavackis argument, I am quite sure that he think like:

Diagram 1:
state 1 --(learning)--> state 2 --(unlearning)--> state 3

and I agree with John, that the word 'unlearning' for the second activity
does not quite fit, because of the following association:

Diagram 2:
state 1 <--(unlearning)-- state 2

with a forbidden direction of the arrow.

Now you write:

>My experience is that it is possible to totally eliminate the "old"

These words, as well as the word 'unlearning' sounds as if you would
seriously thinking in terms of diagram 2, but your example fits well to
diagram 1:

>For example, a person may have learned as a child that "I'm not
>good enough" as a result of his parents always being critical. We have
>worked with over 1,000 private clients who have totally "unlearned" that
>and other similar "facts" and who now believe (not just cognitively or as
>an affirmation, but experientially) that "I am good enough." The
>unlearning and new learning have lasted for many years without

Let state 2 be the state, where the clients firmly hold the belief "I am
not good enough" to be the truth. Now you go through a process with them
and arrive at a state where they believe that "I am good enough". Is this
final state a state 1 or a state 3? Do your clients remember that there
was a time in their lives, where they honestly believed (unbelievable as
it is now) that they were not good enough? If yes, they are in state 3,
you have used diagram 1 and John's argument holds.

If no, I would have some serious questions.

Liebe Gruesse,



"Winfried Dressler" <winfried.dressler@voith.de>

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