Replying to LO24467 --
At de Lange wrote:
>>4. The reality that an individual holds can be accessed through
>>their language - simulaly the reality that a group or society holds
>>can be accessed through their language.
>I wonder what artists who use other mediums than language to express their
>experiences would say to this.
Ah! Needed to operationaly define language. Being as humans are
predominatly oral/aural in their communication I think that it is easy to
use language and words as synonyms. I do not think that they are. A
visual communicatior who has no access to art may need to take the visual
language that they use for cognition and convert it into words.
Psycolinguistics suggests that they will use a lot of visual imagry in
their words to express their visual language. I guess music will hold for
auditory and kinesthetic in the same way as pictures for visuals. I am
A/K or is it K/A and use very little visual imagry in my cognition (that I
am aware of) and communication. But again being as we mainly communicate
through words then access to the underlying realities can be accessed
through the words. Words are a part of language but not all of language.
>The main reason why I responded is because you wrote:
>>The language of influence in use in the world is primarily
>>European in origine. This language is expressive of a fragmentary
>>and analytical culture - post-cartesian in nature. The nature of
>>language id to also be fragmetary and analytic - meaning is is
>>difficult to develop new systemic cognitions - - realities - by using
>>a framentary language. Possible but time consuming.
>It has triggered in me many questions of which the following are some.
>(1) Are you refering to English, French, Spanish or all of them?
1. My principal knowledge is English, but I understand that most
Indo-European languages have pretty much the same root. They are mainly
disjointed languages seeking to express ideas in a fragmented manner based
on the same underlying principal philosophy. I am not so sure about the
Indo in the Indo-European and I wish I could find the book that led me
through the development and root of the languages.... I was comparing -
and seeking knowledge - to eastern languages and Americanindian languages
that I have a dissapearingly small knowledge of....
>(2) Is the language intrinsically fragmentary or is it the usage of
> the language which has become fragmentary?
2. Chicken and egg? I think the language has developed from a fragmentary
philosophy and thus have supported fragmentary philosophy which in
>(3) How will a language or the use of it become when wholeness
> has been regained?
3. I wish I knew.
>(4) Does the development of new systemic cognitions not require
> a preparedness for any mental emergence?
4. I am not sure that I understand the question you have asked. The
question I have answered however... Development of cognition, I think, is
aided by being awar that the world consists of an infinite number of
realities, all of which are wrong, some are useful! Within most realities
your cognition will be based on a) that which you know, b) that which you
know you do not know and c) that which you know but ain't so. Seeking new
realities requires opening up the mind to the fourth group - d) that which
I do not know I do not know. This is the biggest group of the lot by far,
so I guess the answer is yes.
>Surely, a seed cannot germinate under unfavourable conditions.
Operational definition of germinate, and unfavourable needed, or else we
define unfavourable as being the conditions under which a seed will not
germinate and the question loses something. Or have I missed the point?
>(5) How much are mental emergences prevented by denying
> interactions between mind and brain through maintaining
> an abyss between the abtsract and material worlds?
5. Who knows? Did Pirsig not suggest that the abyss is infact the
leading edge of learning and thus he defined it as Quality and that
Quality and arete were lost to Western learning the moment that the
romantic-classic, object-subject and abstract-material dichotomies were
invented by Greek philosophy. I guess if the mental emergences that are
denied are denied by the death of Quality. I am hopeing that this
question was not driven by my dissociation of abstract from material. If
it was I need to re-visit my communication skills.....
>You need not answer them. They are merely intended to tickle the curioisty
>of fellow learners. I do not intend to chop down some tree with them.
I enjoy answering them - learning is fun! Thanks for asking them. Just
because you sharpen yur axe, or saw, does not mean that you are seeking to
chop down trees and even if you do the cutting down of trees promotes new
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