The Milk Project LO25571

From: AM de Lange (
Date: 11/02/00

Replying to LO25508 --

Dear Organlearners,

Karen Shuler <> writes:

>Ah, At, now at long last I understand about the complexity
>and depth of many of your posts, which necessitate many
>words, vs. messages which are shorter. It is the difference
>between 'task' and 'project'. Yes?

Greetings Karen,


There are many other differences too, but you have spotted an important

Have you ever thought about the difference between "challenge" and "dare"?
For me a challenge is to a task what dare is to a project. To dare is far
more than to challenge. For example, to dare is to be bold enough to
challenge. Dare always comes from within whereas challenges may also come
from without. To dare is spontaneous with pending "free energy" whereas to
challenge may also lead to non-spontaneous behaviour. To dare is a
powerful key to constructive emergences whereas to challenge often cause
destructive immergences.

Perhaps most excting to me personally is the relationship between "dare"
(OE "doeran"=challenge) and "dear" (OE "deor"=wild). Old English (OE) also
had the verb "darian"=lurk. Only when something is "deor" to me so as to
release my "free energy", my acting will be "doeran". But when something
is not "deor" to me, my acting most probably will become "darian" so as to
avoid any deluge of "entropy production".

>Thank you explaining to me in story form, which is most
>like my own thought process and thereby helps me most
>in understanding.

Here is another story which happened late yesterday afternoon. It may
explain what I meant in the previous paragraph.

I was cleaning a fish tank while thinking what to write to you. Little
Jessica came into the room, asking me to go with her to pick some ripe
peaches before darkness sets in. On previous days I helped her to climb on
a tall water tank to reach the biggest peaches high in the tree.

Suddenly I realised that she was challenging my love for her. So I decided
to teach her a lesson. "You can go and pick peaches yourself," I said. She
came very close to tears, complaining that the water tank is too high and
that she will hurt herself trying to get on top of it. But I knew from
careful observation that she had done much more daring climbing before. So
I said: "If you really want the peaches, you will have to do the climbing
yourself." Then I fetched her a big bag and said: "You can pick as much as
you want to." With a sulking face she left the room to go and watch TV.

Suddenly, after some five minutes, I saw her walking unobtrusively past
the room to the back yard, bag in the hand. I waited for her to return,
cleaning another tank and then eventually yet another tank. By then it
was dark outside and my heart was aching with fear for her safety, but I
kept myself in control. I know that she fear the dark. Finally she came
into the room, the bag full of peaches, and her usually brown eyes again
having turned pitch black.

She said proudly: "Grandpa, tomorrow we will have a peach party in our
class. You can now have one peach also because there are more than enough.
But you cannot have two because you have diabetes." It made me very happy.
She acquired those experiences needed to gain in tacit knowledge that the
"dare" and "dear" of a "project" is far more than the "challenge" of a

The rest of the evening she was teasing everybody.

And she manifested that incredible stance of Michael Faraday -- singing
with laughter and dancing with joy.

With care and best wishes


At de Lange <> Snailmail: A M de Lange Gold Fields Computer Centre Faculty of Science - University of Pretoria Pretoria 0001 - Rep of South Africa

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