What do people expect from a LO? LO28321

From: Glebe Stcherbina (gstc3416@mail.usyd.edu.au)
Date: 04/26/02

Replying to LO28306 --

Dear Jan and fellow Org Learners,

Thank you for compiling these points as they would provide some excellent
discussion points for workshops, seminars, tutorials etc. However, given
recent events surrounding:

(1) Enron Corp (USA) and its Auditors; (this case may need no further

(2) British American Tobacco and its legal advisors. In this most recent
case in Australia, a 51-year-old smoker dying from lung cancer was awarded
a substantial amount of damages against BAT in the Victorian Supreme
Court. The Judge made some comments regarding the Company's policy on
document retention. It is worth reading.

(3) HIH Insurance Group (In Liquidation) and its Auditors. This Australian
insurance Group collapsed last year and the most recent report as found on
http://www.hih.com.au/press_0304.htm stated "Each meeting also received a
report by the Liquidators on the progress of the Liquidations. In summary,
the Liquidators' work to date has confirmed that each of the three
entities are clearly insolvent, with the estimated deficiency for the HIH
Group of Companies, of which C&G, CIC and FAIG are a part, remaining at
$3.6 billion to $5.3 billion (as at 15 March 2001). It was also confirmed
that reliable estimates of dividend rates will not be available for at
least a further one to two years, and interim distributions for creditors
will not be available for at least two years and final distributions are
unlikely before ten years." The collapse is subject to a Royal Commission
(similar to a US Senate enquiry) and has hurt a lot of small business
owners and investors.

perhaps we could include Regulators and Stockholders (Shareholders) to the
list of those who expect something from a Learning Organization.

Also, I would like to take up on point 5.1 where Senge mentioned that the
term "The Learning Organization" has outgrown its usefulness. As a sixth
year part time Doctorate candidate researching Organizational Learning, my
first reaction was "is the LO just another fad?" or does Senge envisage
that the LO has gone to a higher level in "Company status". Or is it is
really dead, taken over by another theorem?

For those who may interested in an interview with Senge in 1999 which
discusses his co-written publication: "The Dance of Change: The Challenges
to Sustaining Momentum in Learning Organizations" ( Doubleday/Currency,
March 1999 ), please go to:

Personally, I do not believe the term LO has outlived its usefulness.
Especially, in those organizations which maybe entering the mature part of
their life cycle. However for some organization in decline, it may. What
do others think?

Thank you and may the force be with you.

Kind regards,
Glebe Stcherbina
Sydney, Australia

Jan Lelie wrote:

> We've had our session and used the ideas you supplied us with. We added
> some of our own and are now making the clusters. In:
> http://www.mindatwork.nl/LO-Meeting_all_results.html
> you can read all the ideas. The results will come shortely,


Glebe Stcherbina <gstc3416@mail.usyd.edu.au>

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