Replying to LO28335 --
Osiyo At and Alfed,
We too have the term dense in a cultural sense to mean "does not
understand" however you used the term Creator to mean that which is not
created by humans i.e. natural science and then spoke of cultural science.
You then jumped to linguistics or what I would term "diction". Not fair
guys. Jumping around is no answer to a seriously posed statement.
Heinrich Schenker, the great music theorist of the late 19th century posed
many ways of analyzing situational complexity in chromatic music. Later
it was found that his magnificent ediface, like Newtonian Physics, didn't
fit the modern musical expressions of the Expressionists and
Dodecaphonists. As Minimalism and a return to overtone based harmony
cycled back into the public consciousness we searched for ways to describe
the elements of musical composition and how they change. What was
incredibly complicated harmonically often was not complicated at all, in
playing it on the piano or a musical instrument. That is, it was not so
difficult to push the keys down, but to communicate the intricacy of
range, distance, duration, thick and thin textures, color, volume,
harmonic movement and repose, all elements of harmony, to a live audience
in such a way that they would "get" the composer's intent was an act of
virtuosity. e.g. the Traumerei of Schumann's Kinderscenen is a nightmare
of physical control built around the harmony of the melody, the harmony of
the harmony, the length of your fingers and the problem of legato on a
percussion instrument.
Then moving from a slow single instrumental piece to the major combination
of textures and timbres of the modern orchestra. To mix that in with the
same "density" of expression in multiple rhythms, multi-colored
instrumentation, intricacy of timbral layering etc, etc., etc and call it
all a musical architecture that is about the texture, the density, the
thickness and thinness, the speed, the volume, etc. etc. with which all of
these things change, evolve and you have density that is as thick and
layered in meaning as any chemical "unknown" given to a Physical Chemistry
Doctoral student for his final exam. In short fellows it IS "Dense." And
yes complicated but complicated is not a description of anything but
numbers, i.e. more than one. On the other hand "Dense" is a description
of the aural texture of the musical tapestry.
Love to you both
Ray Evans Harrell
> Alfred Rheeder <alfred@pvm.co.za> writes in reply to:
>
> >> By the way, that lack of what you call "density" in
> >> digital recordings, is the "pixel" nature of them still
> >> coming through. Pushing more bits into a second of
> >> music will reduce some of it, but it will also need more
> >> computing power. The question is -- can all of it be
> >> removed by going for the sky in computing power?
> >>
> >> How about any fellow learner trying to answer this question.
> >
> >I will be bold At, it will not be possible! Wholeness
> >will "prevent" this from happening unless the way our
> >(humans) senses work change to digital mode!
> >
> >Do not want to be 'n cyborg - I will lose too much "density"!
>
> Greetings dear Alfred,
>
> You gave me great laugh ;-)\\_//
>
> Already, when Ray used "density", I was smiling. But I resisted
> commenting on it for fear of being misunderstood. But you will
> not misunderstand me since we have in Afrikaans the idiomatic
> saying "hy is dig" (he is dense). I think it came from "hy is dig toe"
> (he is tightly closed) because we also have the saying "hy is toe"
> (he is closed).
--"Ray Evans Harrell" <mcore@nyc.rr.com>
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