Instructional Design and Learning LO29216

From: AM de Lange (
Date: 09/23/02

Replying to LO29195 --

Dear Organlearners,

Terje Tonsberg <> writes

>So an emergence happens when at least two intensive
>properties connect through a flux, thus generating at least
>one new intensive property? Similarly, digestion is when
>there is an extensive increase, but no new intensive properties?

Greetings dear Terje,

Change the "at least two intensive properties" into "two different values
of an intensive property" and you are right on target.

>Can a digestive process in one process be consist of
>emergent events in other categories? For example, lets
>say you were manipulating numbers in a particular way
>in dividing whole numbers, then the celeration became
>flat (you reached a speed of e.g. 40 correct per minute),
>then you learned a better way of manipulating the numbers
>and so the celeration bounced up. It seems to me that we
>now have an emergence that made the digestion process
>of another property bounce?

Yes, a digestive process can still be going on when suddenly it gets
involved in another bifurcation. If the digestion did not mature the
bifurcation may not result in an emergence, but in an immergence. If the
digestion went beyond maturity into "obesity", the same may happen.

The thing trying to become aware of, is that the new emergent property is
always asymmetric to the old symmetric property upon which the digestion
happened. Goethe became deeply aware of this through working on many
subjects. He described a chain of such linked emergences as "Steigerung"
-- the best English literal word for it being staggering.

I cannot pinpoint when I became aware of "Steigerungs" within me, but it
was somewhere in the middle sventies. In 1980-81 i designed a chourse for
chemistry 1 in which the experiencing of a "Steigerung" was one of its
main features. During 1982-83 several students exclaimed in great surprise
to me that they experienced this. They found it very difficult to describe
in words what they became aware of, but they very very excited about it.

>At, you said earlier about leaders and followers as
>force-flux pairs in an organization: Scale it by half or
>double it. Its heads of divisions and departments stay
>the same. Any mental difference between them will
>amount to entropic forces. However, their subordinates
>will scale accordingly. Thus leader-followers constitutes
>an entropic force-flux pair.
>My comment: it seems to me that in this lies another
>example of how digestion and emergence intertwine
>and overlap. "Mentality" is an intensive property, but
>the differences will be both intensive and extensive.
>For if leader A wanted to do X and leader B wanted
>to do Y, then entropy is produced if processes are
>moved more towards X or Y. The difference in value
>in this case, between the two entropic forces the
>mentalities of A & B, is a qualitative (intensive) difference.

Yes, but remove the "the two entropic forces" and write at the very end
"which is then an entropic force". The entropic flux would be telling
every follower what to do. The entropic force-flux pair then produces
entropy which in this case is manifested by for example all the
information (Shannon's thesis) coming from leaders and followers alike.

This act of scaling gives great insight into the intensive and extensive
properties of systems. Consider, for example, the trafic system of a city.
Scale the city by imagining new suburbs added to the existing ones so that
the number of vehicles will scale too. Main roads in densely built
established suburbs can only be scaled at perhaps too great costs. Hence
they are an intensive property with the traffic on them an extensive
property. It is then easy to spot future stretches of entropy produduction
and thus accidents, frustration, etc.
With care and best wishes


At de Lange <> Snailmail: A M de Lange Gold Fields Computer Centre Faculty of Science - University of Pretoria Pretoria 0001 - Rep of South Africa

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