Replying to LO29692 --
Dear Organlearners,
Leo Minnigh <minnigh@dds.nl> writes
>>>I was trying to create a picture which was as complete as
>>>possible. That means that my thoughts meandered from
>>>mechanical constructions to natural sciences, behavioral
>>>sciences, nature and human societies.
>>
>> Goethe's thoughts did the same. But he resisted all attempts
>> to divide his activities into physics, chemistry, geology,
>> botany, ............ He said that should he do so, he will have
>> lost the wholeness of it all.
>
>I am convinced that one should do both - looking to details
>and looking to the relationships, and thus loosing the sight on
>details. It is this meandering aproach of coming close and
>taking distance in a regular and repeating rhythm that enhances
>the comprehension of what wholeness and the whole might be.
Greetings dear Leo,
Recently i had to give advice on a sewage system which converts raw sewage
into clean water and removable biomass. We have few rivers here in South
Africa and pollution by sewage becomes a severe problem. The existing
sewage system is a complete failure. Engineers, chemists, microbiologists
and biologists each designed their part of it. But because of a lack of
wholeness the system just did not functioned as expected. We have begun a
small pilot plant in which the wholeness is the key to its functioning. Up
to now it is working beyond expectations.
>Suppose that At and I form a small LO. What binds us?
>Is it trhe physical cable which connects our PC's? Maybe,
>but more important is that we both have something to learn.
>At learns, and I learns. And thus there is something like:
>At * learning * Leo. Learning is for me an activity which could
>comprise a lot of things. Maybe I should specify the former
>relationship somewhat better: At * learning of wholeness * Leo.
>However, with this specification I introduced another relationship
>(learning with a subject). But At generalised the subject much
>more. He was thinking of 'learning of relationships (between us).
>Dear reader, could you imagine that I become somewhat dizzy.
>I have the feeling that I have entered a maze with no escape route.
I feel also somewhat dizzy. Of one thing i am sure -- i need to know more
about wholeness. But i am not so sure that it involves only learning. What
about "creating"? In other words, is the relationship not actually
At * creating * Leo
We would never have met on internet were it not for our passion to
understand creativity. Together we create something which we can share
between us.
>Finally, At wrote some words on the 'umlomo' questions.
>> A frequent mental excerise with me is to take ANY two
>> things A and B and see if i cannot find the central member
>> U (for "umlomo", Zulu word for mouthpiece) which
>> connects them as A*U*B. This is really a powerful excercise.
>
> The rather philosophical question is what this finding of a
> central member means. Was this umlomo always present
> and is it a matter of finding it, or do we introduce a relationship?
> In other words, if I am looking for an umlomo between a
> pinguin at the South pole and the desert plant Adenia Spinosa,
> I have brought these two elements together by just asking this
> question. I have the feeling that our mental capacities could be
> so strong that we could introduce new umlomo's. But as I said,
> this question is possibly too philosophical for this list.
Dear Leo, let us take your example of a penguin and and an adenia. What
connects them is not something philosophical, but something which we
should try to observe, even shoudl it be complex. Each species has adapted
to a special climate. What i perceive between them is a global climate
consisting of two extremes -- the polar climate and the desert climate.
These two extremes have an immense influence on each other. Again we have
the pattern
penguin * dynamic weather * adenia
>And thus, relationships and interactions play an active role.
>Possibly 'only' in our minds and as mental constructions,
>but since the 'world inside us' is care most, it is worth to
>think of relationships.
The last few months i have taken a deep interest in the relationships
which people are living according to. It seems to me that many are not
aware how much their lifes depend on such relationships and the "implicate
wholeness" these relationships represent.
For example, there are a small fanatical group among my people (the
Afrikaners) who believe they have the right and capacity to set up an
Afrikaner (Boere) state. They wanted to do it through disrupting society
with bombs. Fortunately, they were apprehended in the nick of time. Now,
they call upon their constitutional rights based on the very constitution
which they wanted to overthrow! Suddenly the "implicate wholeness" becomes
important for them to protect themselves.
>Greetings from a mental maze.
One thing about a maze is that one has to find a way out of it. Let us do
it!
With care and best wishes
--At de Lange <amdelange@postino.up.ac.za> Snailmail: A M de Lange Gold Fields Computer Centre Faculty of Science - University of Pretoria Pretoria 0001 - Rep of South Africa
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