The Latest Thing (knot) LO30508

Date: 08/27/03


In order that i, without a Ph.D might enter this thoughted field i need to
ask if either of you Doctors of Philosophy have considered the nature of 'work'
in your domain to be related to the notion of work in Heidegger's domain and
most esp. that set forth by his pupil and lover Hannah Arendt?

My intere-est as a mere ''arty type ;-)'' ?

I have over the years ;-) been concerning myself in this topic informally, in
my own orbit in this great 'comos of stars' and when, for example, i
pleasantly engaged in a perfectly happy creative and mutually ;-) respectful dialog
with Dr. peter (small 'p') Beamish and Dr. Leyton (Rutgers) i was RESPECTFULLY
informed ;-) that 'time' is not 'Time'... and 'time' and 'Time' is definitely
not 'TIME' (peter) and "...time does not exist, Andrew" (Mike)

For reason you guys will not likely apprehend, today, in a tiny cottage in
rural England, a man of some greater solitude than the peaceful eye of your
posited storm let loose some angels. Keep an eye open for them. and an ear. and
feel the ground through your bare feet. attend to changes of temperature upon
the skin. smell the air from many angles '-). but most, most of all, attend to
your 'guts' gentlemen, gentleladies of LO ...and the increase in churning

Gentlemen AND gentleladies of LO, here is a tempered ;-) message from 'the
edge of the storm', in which an 'eye' just 'blinked' at a 'spec' caught upon the
'retina', like a 'photon' 'deep' in the 'mind' ;-)...

Commence narrative...a young scientist (all this is recorded and well
documented) an aussie, knowing that experiments were outlawed on animals decided that
the only 'animal tissue' that he could in good conscience experienment upon
was his own living flesh (forgive my spelling;-) but, i have no editors,
sub-editors, professors, friends or undergraduates to correct me) so that's what he
did, he infected his own body to prove (falsify;-) his thesis that ulcers in
the stomach were caused not by 'stress' in human psychologies but by certain
biochemical (re)actions ;-) there ...ipso facto... there was/is a more
physiological (real;-) causal nature to ulcers.

How was this then 'grotesque' figure met in his own community ?(sic).

Well, they did not like his 'data' on little bit, because his peers (sic)
told him (verbatim quote by the young scientist) " look, there are many forms of
stomach ulcers and we happen to have the many special remedies with which to
treat them..." which decoded reads..." hey buddy, we are making our personal
and very specialised livelihoods through the human suffering with stomach ulcers
and your discovery represents a cure which will curtail our income

Well, friends, you'll all be pleased to learn that his thesis was such that
not only did it mean that as many as 50% of stomach ulcers formerly untreatable
are now treatable, but an offshoot is that stomach cancers will be, in five
years time, totally curable through this technology and insight.

At, i know that from Newton to Albert Schweizer there is a long history of
people 'self experimenting', you go to the desert and explore in that
centre the edges of your physical and mental endurance, as May has done in her
own way...

Just one last thought, Steve and Babis. If there is no time how can there be
a temporal problem. Whose problem are we talking about, that of the person in
the place of work or some posited observer hoping the have no effect on the
quantum qualia in the field.

I once stood in a field of burning grasses and a whirlwind arose and chased
me away with a fury of sparks, smoke and a hissing noise, like a serpent. I ran
to the '''thin fractal line''' (three inter-twined examples from my
experience;-) ...

(Dante to the world < Campbell to Claus Otto Scharmer > Pollock to the world)

...and there is collapsed into the ground - and through it i saw anew



> Ok, if we take 'economy of effort' as the basis for continuous
> improvement, how do we define and recognize this experientially no matter
> what the task? And what if no specific task is being done at the
> moment--what if we're deciding what task to do next? What can be the
> experiential 'basis' for decision or turning toward 'greater economy'?
> This is the kind of thing I find sorely lacking in the literature, and in
> practice.
> Steve Randall, Ph.D.


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