Dear Organlearners,
Don Dwiggins < d.l.dwiggins@computer.org > writes:
>It might be useful to offer some alternate definitions of
>"belief", appropriately tagged. For example, belief(Karash)
>seems to be something like "holding a model to be valid".
> Belief(deLange) is characterized, if not defined, as a
>second order emergent of creativity. Belief(Eskow), as
>used in his dialogue with At, seems to be similar to the
>sense that Eric Hoffer gave it in his book "The True Believer".
>(Richard, At, Steve, if I've done violence to what you intended,
>please correct me.)
Greetings Dwig,
You did a great thing which topped up my hope for the creative spirit of
humans. You made a comparison of how Rick, Steve and I view creativity,
something which I could not do at the present moment because of my
closeness to the topic.
As for rendering my Sytems Thinking on "belief", you will have to change
the nouns "belief" and "creativity" to the verbs "believing" and
"creating". In other words, I consider "believing" to be a second order
emergent of "creating". Note that this formulation is in terms of
"becoming" as the intermediate (mouthpiece) rather than the outcome
"being".
Initially I also followed the "being" rather than "becoming" formulation.
But it caused some subtle problems for me. As my understanding of "entropy
production" in the abstract world of mind grew, I realised that "entropy
production" itself causes diversity of becoming before it causes diversity
of being. In other words and using the words of Jon Krispin, it orders
behaviour (B) before consequents (C). The antecedents (A) of Jon Krispin
are nothing else than the entropy producing force-flux (tension flow)
pairs. The consequents C themselves can and usually do act in the entropy
producing force-flux pairs of a succesive phase, thus giving rise to a
string of ABC-ABC-ABCs. No, no, I should put it better. Because of the
Onsager reciprocal relationships (cross inductions) in a complex system, a
single antecedent A can give rise to a multidimensional web of
ABC-ABC-ABC-s.
>In the spirit of Scott, I'll offer one more quote in closing:
>"a man has to believe in something. I believe I'll go have a beer."
I believe "A beer well earned"!
Best wishes
--At de Lange <amdelange@gold.up.ac.za> Snailmail: A M de Lange Gold Fields Computer Centre Faculty of Science - University of Pretoria Pretoria 0001 - Rep of South Africa
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