> My present mission has somehow coalesced into proving that "win/win"
>with employees is both good for the individual and for success of the
>enterprise. Much of this is perceived through intuition.
My intuition is that you are right -- but I find it hard to demonstrate it
other than through intuition. And having been particularly scathing about
Henryk Skolimowski's wonderful dismissal of neo-Darwinism: "In our deepest
intuition we know it cannot be true" I am curious to know what frame of
view is needed for it to make sense.
I feel that there are some fundamental questions here about the shift in
society from (in the UK at least) a class-structured agricultural economy
to a class-structured industrial economy to an un-structured knowledge
economy. The history of the class-structured economies is one where most
people provided "mechanical" labour to the economy in contracts that
largely denied what we would today call 'human rights'.
> Also, my assumption of hierarchy was incomplete as communicated. What I
>meant to say was "local pattern for the present system frame" or
>archetype. I see these archetypes again and again through psychology and
>through my experience with complex adaptive systems. I am like a blind
>man groping to feel the key into the front door... I know it's there...
>but I will fumble for a while in finding the keyhole.
I am reminded of the Sufi story of the man who looked for his key under
the street light because there he had some chance of seeing it. How easy
it is to look through the eyes we have grown accustomed to and how
difficult to try on different intuitions. And how much easier it is to
notice the frames other people use than our own.
> Can one have insight based on logical thinking when thought itself is
>from the material world? In other words... Can a truly novel thought
>emerge beyond the thinker's realm without an outside force acting on it?
>Are we bound by our own limits of our personal minds? How do we escape
>our own orbits? If so, how do we foster this state?
Logical thinking follows from a set of assumptions (axioms, postulates,
whatever) whatever is logical follows from them (see the recent thread).
Novelty, or creativity means moving outside those assumptions -- bending
one by the merest millimetre and then seeing what logic (or illogic)
produces. The most valuable question is "How would it be if that were
true?" The examples are not often to be directly found in academia, though
this is the fundamental question of science fiction. Lewis Carroll's White
Queen had a cure "I dare say you haven't had much practice, when I was
your age, I always did it for half an hour a day. Why, sometimes I've
believed as many as six impossible things before breakfast." Bernard Shaw
reminded us that "The reasonable man adapts himself to the world: the
unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore all progress depends on the unreasonable man." And Terry
Pratchett has made a rich living out of challenging any and every logical
idea that is around:
"People believe in all sorts of other things, though. For example, there
are some people who have a legend that the whole universe is carried in a
leather bag by an old man.
"They're right too.
"Other people say: hold on, if he's carrying the entire universe in a
sack, that means he's carrying himself and the sack /inside/ the sack,
because the universe contains everything, including him. And the sack, of
course. Which contains him and the sack already. As it were.
"To which the reply is: well?
"All tribal myths are true, for a given value of 'true'."
Best regards
Bob
--Bob Janes Webster & Janes Ltd PO Box 211, Welwyn AL6 0EX UK +44 (1438) 84-0206 mailto:bob.janes@webster-and-janes.co.uk http://www.webster-and-janes.co.uk/co.re/
Henryk Skolimowsky, The Participatory Mind: a new theory of knowledge and the universe http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0140194797/learningorg
Lewis Carroll, Through the Looking-glass http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0517147815/learningorg
G B Shaw, Reason
Terry Pratchett, The Last Continent http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0061050482/learningorg
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