Systems Thinking and Personality Types LO22569
Fri, 3 Sep 1999 10:35:37 +0000

Replying to LO22555 --

AM de Lange writes;

> My position is that I consider the PP (Personality Profile) of each person
> to be unique. It is not an assumption which I still have to test, but a
> conclusion after many thousands of experiences. Since you have referred to
> Forensic Science (FC), let me use a metaphor from FC.
> The PP of each person is like the fingerprints of that person. It is
> possible and has been of great value to classify the fingerprints of
> people. But the categoricity of this classification is that no two
> individuals (among billions) have exactly the same fingerprints. The
> categoricity of PP classification is that no two individuals (among
> billions) have exactly the same PP.

I agree with what you are saying here and would like to offer an
additional wrinkle. I currently use a process that identifies and measures
individual's motivations. We too have discovered that every individual has
a unique motivational make up or fingerprint. The way we define the
uniqueness is to say the odds that any two individuals would have the same
motivational make-up is equivalent to the total number os people who ever
lived on this earth. The numerical expression would be seventeen to the
one hundredth power interacting the seventeen to the eleventh power.

We have also found that the reliability over time is remarkable. In
studies conducted with the same individuals over a 40 year period it shows
that their motivational make up does not alter greatly during their life
time. What does alter is their expression of how they are motivated.

I do have a caveat and that is to say that if an individual experiences a
dramatic event in his/her life there will be a change in their
motivational profile SHORT TERM!

As an example... A man who throught out his marriage is distant and
unapproachable. His wife suddenly dies. He is left rasing their teenaged
daughter alone. He develops his nurturing benevolent side and for the next
5 years plays the roll of both mother and father. When his daughter leaves
for college he slowly begins returning to his former self, unapproachable
and distant.

Our premise is that by pulling the curtain back on personality types
(MBTI, DISC and the like) and looking at what is driving the behavior we
discover the why not just the what of human behavior.

> If the PP of a person CAN change, how can we be sure that it WILL change?
> This is where Senge's Personal Mastery (authentic learning, learning
> emerging from creativity or or irreversible self-organisation) comes into
> the picture. When the PP of a person changes as a result of Personal
> Mastery, it is as if that person's PP meanders through the various
> Personality Types (PTs) set up by various kinds of personality tests.

This is an interesting question. The way we assist individual's with
"learning" is to understand how the person's mind is wired. We can then
reframe a situation to better meet their understanding of the world.

Try giving a logic based individual a meandering philosophical argument.
It often does not work. But if you could tie some concrete reasons into
the argument, lay it out in a sequential order then communication can

> One of the important goals of a LO for me is to make the meandering of the
> PP through the various PTs possible. (In contrast to a PP, fingerprints
> cannot meander.) Perhaps other will feel differently about this goal for
> LOs. But in my mission of midwifery (teaching) the meandering of a
> person's PP through the various PTs is of utmost importance to me. Many
> learning disorders and disabilities result from a PP getting stuck into a
> particular PT.

I believe you are correct in your desire to assist individuals "through
the various PTs" So long as the new PTs are presented in a way that the
individual can truly understand them. I believe that alignment student to
teacher and teacher to student is key to creating a learning environment.


Jeff Selzer
Triad Development Group
183 El Carmelo Avenue
Palo Alto, CA 94306-2339
Phone: 650-852-9722
Fax: 650-856-8585

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plant my apple tree."
- Martin Luther


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