Via negativa and Via positiva Both/and LO24238

Date: 03/23/00

Dear Winfried, At and Rick,

At de Lange wrote:

>>Trying as hard as I can, I am not able to reason formally and explicitly
>>that the knowledge K is intensive and the information I is extensive.

>May be I can help? Rick Karash wrote in Unlearning LO24214:

>>But, I use "knowledge" as the capacity for effective action

>(1) Knowledge is the capacity to create sensible information.

>We have seen in an earlier mail on this subject by At, that the general
>relation of intensive and extensive entities is of the form

>FORCE x FLUX > 0,

>FORCE being a difference of an intensive and FLUX a change of an extensive
>property. In words, and maybe also more intuitive to the words force and
>flux, one may say in general:

>(2) Force is the capacity to create flux.

>Comparing (1) and (2) show, that knowledge is the force, while sensible
>information the according flux.

>Thus knowledge is intensive and information extensive. etc.


This is 'artistry'of high cumulative thinking.
You thoughts are like a soaring proto cloud.
Some sketched notes from an exhibition:-

<<<To come to the pleasure you have not,
you must go by a way in which you enjoy not,
To come to the knowledge you have not,
you must go by a way in which you know not.
To come to the possession you have not,
you must go by a way in which you possess not.
To come to be what you are not,
you must go by a way in which you are not.>>>

<<It is an intellect
Of windings round and dodges to and fro,

Writhings in wrong obliques and distances,
Not an intellect in which we are fleet: present
Everywhere in space at once, cloud-pole

Of communication.>>

< when the body is most vulnerable, the soul becomes sensitive to inspiration>


< Desert solitude is an early form of visionary technology - Individuals have
used it to hear the voices of the past, the present and the future - to
receive images, to host vision quests. It seems that all the noise and
clutter of the everyday life is reduced to such brutal minimalism that the
usual control valves are released and the images well up from within. The
boundaries between the software of the private interior and the hardware of
the exterior landscape are blurred, their forms intermingle and converge.>
(B. Viola. MIT Press and London. Reasons for knocking at an empty house.)
Many have fallen prey to this propaganda of high fashion and advanced
technology saying, if only I had XYZ I would make a really good life for
myself, and technology leads us away from ourselves--

<< His art is one of combination and precision, with the links and
connections left in place but sometimes not used.>>

And if knowledge be a tool ---

<<<New organs of perception come into being as a result of necessity -
therefore, increase your necessity so that you may increase your

So --

<The work after acquiring necessary basic skills, is in the development of
understanding of the self. This is where the really hard work is. The level
of the use of tools is a direct reflection of the level of the user...>

Any wonder then that Maturana writes that he is not 'impressed' with modern

So what?

So everything!

So Nothing!

Precisely so -- (((((((((((((((((( : - )))))))))))))

So, care TO love.

Love to you Winfried, At and Rick.

Andrew Campbell


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