At's and Sajeela's Ways of Learning LO24710

From: systhinc (
Date: 05/30/00

Replying to LO24702 --

Sajeela has show great wit and wisdom in creating a dialogue with the
master of complex divergence.....

I have been studying myself in the light of the "dialogue" put forth by AT
and have found myself lacking. I am primarily an expressive individual,
loving to teach and to learn, but find myself fighting, aggressive, when
facing stress. The great patience seen in this response to another
remarkable, but not very useful (to me) perambulation by the desert father
has given me hope that I CAN learn from At, if only by seeing the
linguistic and social tricks in his writing style and putting them to use
in cleaning up my own.

It does take great concentration to get through the longer missives on
this list. It is difficult, for me, in fear of failing to note a gem, as
well as in fear of calling a clump of dirt something more grand. I have
tended to ignore the more inflammatory and the less informative and I have
replied only to those which have given me a personal stimulus. I know
this is both lazy and unprofessional of me, since I am a bona fide change
agent, bestowed with a corporate mantel which makes me responsible for not
only my own learning, but also the environment for everyone else's.

I have been coming to this list for almost as many years as it has been
here. I have seen some great teachers and great learners come and go.
The latest community (and all communities are virtual in the sense of
creation's time) seems the most distant from the principles of
organizational learning or profound knowledge of all of those I've
participated in. There are some grand theories revolving around
'complexity' and many sermons. The ladder of inference is stretched
beyond the physical limits of any ladder I have ever seen. Theories in
use do not come close to espoused theories. The signal to noise ratio is
very very very very strong in favor of noise.

I have always come here to learn, and when the opportunity shows itself,
to teach. I am a lover of words. I love to caress them with my mind and
move them into all of the permutations they well fit into. Abstraction
and absurdity sometimes come together in a lucid, crystal model of a
sentence, then grow, rapidly, into a paragraph of great wisom. It is the
words that give wisdom, not the tongue of their speaker. I don't think
Jesus, or Gandhi, or Bhudda spoke in order to be published, taught in
order to be revered. I don't think Einstein worried about whether or not
he could control his audience when he created the theories and proofs
which he presented. In all of these cases, the knowledge as presented was
always appropriate to the audience, to the case in point. When parables
were used, they were used to show the present case in a different light.
They did not bring some esoteric knowledge from somewhere far back in the
history of the community as a punctation of the teacher's brilliance.
They taught, and so teaching, learned.



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