Definitions and Learning. LO25850

From: Jan Lelie (
Date: 01/08/01

Replying to LO25845 --

Hello At, hello reader, thank you for sharing your attention with us,

as i was browsing through a long list of received mail, having reinstalled
all the software on these fine but primitive devices for communicating, i
answered a mail on definitions of half-time (the point half way a game, a
moment for rest) and added some experience on a Beer Game, (leaving out
were one should add the half time break), i had to notice your mail,
decided to read some of it and play with some ideas and notions.

You biject definitions and learning, defining and lessons. Is defining the
beginning ("def-ini") or the ending ("de-fini") of learning? Or is it a
stepping stone in between. All four, but not at the same time. One has to
choose. Choice, having a choice, making a choice, generating choices (you
sometimes call it branching, branches): life is about choosing; developing
conscious life is about learning to choose. And then to define these

Yesterday i learned of an innovative thought in cosmology: what if the
speed of light - considered to be a constant of nature - was not constant.
Someone proposed that it was much higher during the early "days" of our
universe. We were not shown the mathematics, but it seemed possible -
although it meant that the law of energy conservation had to go too - and
the outcomes seemed to solve some riddles. Now, did this change the course
of evolution? Of course not. Did it increase happiness? Yes, it did. The
people in the program were happier than before - as was i, because my
daughter worries a lot about the end of the universe as we know it.

A few hours later i learned that talks about a place called sacred,
perhaps because once a wise king invented what we in Holland call a
"Salomons oordeel", another name for definition and learning, were heading
to a disaster. It doesn't seem possible to allow each other to go were one
wants to go. Now, did this change the path of evolution? Of course not,
we're like a feather in the breath of God. Did it increase happiness? No,
and it won't. I think that a lot of unhappiness will occur but that it
will not change the universe as we no it.

So, defining and lessons are about discovering one's self. Sometimes we
still have to fight to learn that the other is just like us - fighting to
learn about himself. Sometimes we sit and listen, read and think. And the
best way to do so, is by becoming a facilitator - have you ever met
someone who "is" a facilitator? - , facilitating others to become learners
too. Plunging stepping stones into the sea of knowledge - for the other

Could say more, have to go now, i'll be back,

Jan Lelie

AM de Lange wrote:

> Winfried Dressler <> writes under
> Subject: Polanyi, The Tacit Dimension LO25817
> >Two questions may depict my current thinking:
> >
> >What does 'define' mean? This is a self-referential question
> >and requires the most abstract levels of general systems
> >theory, which is something in the making.
> >
> >What is a 'term'? This is also a selfreferential question.
> >
> >But terms can also be seen as systems in a context
> >(surrounding). It is such systems which evolve, complexify,
> >collapse creatively (or immergently) etc. This is the realm
> >of painting rich pictures instead of defining.
> Greetings Winfried,
> Thank you for this valuable contribution.
> Definitions have served thinking humans well since Socrates more than two
> millenia ago stressed that speaking about things which have not been
> defined lead to fuzzy thinking at best.

With kind regards - met vriendelijke groeten,

Jan Lelie

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