Archetypes LO26446

From: Jan Lelie (
Date: 03/27/01

Replying to LO26433 and LO26387 --

Dear readers and writers,

Thinking, reading and typing archetypically i'd like to suggest to you
that archetype is another word for information, or perhaps better,
in-forming, a kind of pre-formed info, a kind of form - i sometimes call
the system archetype sjablone (shablone, schablone, better use template) -
to hold, to use, to measure, to experience content. Perhaps the word
scaffold ("steiger" we call it in Dutch: a tool to rise or raise) could be
used. Every form, content, derives from another form. But these precursors
of forms or processors of content have a different content, just like a
scaffold is not the building, but it is a building for building. An
archetype is a thought for thinking about thoughts. What you're reading
now is - inside your head - typed, printed, interpreted, processed by some
precursory archetypes. How typical.

Any archetype, in my view, is neither contentless nor formless. It is a
pre-shaped form and like any figure, it cannot exist without a ground.
Figure and ground. Why? Because we cannot think, read or write without a
pre-existing form. We inform by forming. The other way around is that our
scaffolds, our archetypes, have been formed by impressions precursor forms
and contents agian and again. We think because that is the way we have
been shaped. We continuously are archtyping. The word archetype is a
meta-word, a thought about thoughts.

I think that we differ in the archetypes we use. Some feel comfortable in
using an archetype that is red (action!), another experiences a world of
green (feelings). I most of the time prefer ideas and thought, words and
symbols and meaning lurking behind meaning (yellow), while some fellow
humans want to hear about form and structure, principles and rules.

Some of the archetypes have been auto-preformed just after birth, it is
called character, others have been thaught* and are called prejudgement
("vooroordeel"). Because archetypes speed up thinking and acting - just
imagine how much time we would spare without having this discussion or
even this LO-list - and speed is important in survival, the pre-judgements
can be very helpful in determining who is in and who is out. And also it
is important not to think to long about archetypes... .

So i was enlightened when Ad came with the suggestion of "grondvorm". It
created with me the thought (theSotS (South of the Sahara)) of the
archtypical landscape of the African Savanne. Wonder where that came from.

Take care and best whishes,

Jan Lelie

AM de Lange wrote:


With kind regards - met vriendelijke groeten,

Jan Lelie

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