Archetypes LO26437

From: Gavin Ritz (
Date: 03/26/01

Replying to LO26387 --

Hi At and Winfried

AM de Lange wrote:

> A simple example of such a "protophenomenon" which persists through higher
> levels of complexity is the "cell wall". Today we use the term "system boundary"
> in general systems theory. The "cell wall" had a great influence on various systems
> of thinking. For example, in Christian theology, somewhere in the medival ages,
> the notion emerged that God Creator lives outside Creation so as to visit Creation
> only occasionally. In terms of LEP we would now say that they began to make
> this Creator-Creation "cell wall", which was still open in the early New Testament
> times, closed (neither open, nor isolated). Obviously, the next step would eventually
> be to make this "cell-wall" isolated, leading to what is often called secular thinking.

How strange I was reading just an article on this last night, about
general systems theory, boundaries and Liebniz's monads. In GST they speak
of systems open to energy or information, but this is confusing as in my
opinion systems are neither fully open or fully closed. The logic seems
like LEM to me. I think this is what the essentiality
associatitivity-monadicity, and open- paradigm, identity-categoricity is
all about

> The seven essentialities are in a certain sense "Uhr-phaenomen". They are each
> a distinctive pattern in the complex organisation of the Law of Entropy Production.
> (LEP). Whenever new entropy is produced, it has to be manifested into higher
> forms. Sometimes the manifestation is clearly in a particular essentiality. For
> example, think of liveness ("becoming-being"). How often do we not recognise
> this essentiality as the eon-lasting "process-structure" of systems?
> Gavin, what do you think Goethe's idea of "Uhr-phaenomen"? I love it because
> it does not exclude the "structure-process" pattern of systems, a pattern which
> you are very fond of.

I am going to digest this because I have never heard this term before.



Gavin Ritz <>

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