Archetypes LO26506

From: AM de Lange (
Date: 04/12/01

Replying to LO26469 --

Dear Organlearners,

Gavin Ritz <> writes:

>An assumed ideal pattern of the fundamental structure of
>each great division of organized beings- Shorter Oxford
>Dictionary. (2500 pages)
>That seems like structure to me.
>If you want to correlate that to At de Langes 7E's that is being-becoming,
>identity-categoricity, and maybe association- monodicity
>But ultimately one can label anything with any label, I suppose as long as
>I know what that person means.

Greetings dear Gavin,

Your last sentence gave me delight because history occasionally teach that
few, if any, know what many, if not all, means by the labels which they

Here is an example. Up to the beginning of the 20th every biologist knew
what a plant or what an animal is. Yes, they dealt with plants or animals
as "archetypes" which eventually evolved into the kingdom of plants and
the kingdom of animals. But then, expecially since WWII with powerful
technology available like electron scanning microscopes, the world of the
one cell organisms began to open up. There are a hundred fold order more
one cell species (going down to the level of prokaryotic bacteria) which
cannot be labeled as either a plant or an animal than all the
multicellular species which can be labeld as such.

One of the big problems of every teaching botanist or zoologist is to get
students so far as to think of an organism, whether it is a plant or an
animal, in terms of its morphology ("being") and its physiology
("becoming") as a tighly connected dual. This concerns liveness which is
merely one of the 7Es.

>Whatever the case is Systems Thinking Archetypes in my opinion
>are not archetypes. More like patterns of process. (call them archetypal
>process maybe).

Gavin, I think that as we begin to think more transdisciplinary, these
"archetypes" of Systems Thinking will become more in focus. According to
the essentiality sureness we cannot rush in and claim an identity for
anything, even "archetypes" until we have the full context of anything
categorically in view. Thus an ongoing dialogue is necessary to become
aware of the full context of anything we wish to identify.

With care and best wishes


At de Lange <> Snailmail: A M de Lange Gold Fields Computer Centre Faculty of Science - University of Pretoria Pretoria 0001 - Rep of South Africa

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