LOs and Metanoia - Two Conceptions of LO's LO27189

From: Dressler, Winfried (Winfried.Dressler@Voith.com)
Date: 08/30/01


Replying to LO27170 --

>The first step on the road to 'getting it' seems to be that they come to
>the above conclusion: we, as leaders or managers, need to become gardeners
>- to nourish, fertilise, prune, weed, care for, allow growth to happen,
>etc...
>
>Yet I always challenge this. For it seems to me to still be 'old paradigm'
>thinking, albeit with a more organic flavour. The gardener is outside the
>garden system - or at least at a higher logical level than the garden. The
>gardener operates upon the garden, for good or ill (there is a whole
>strand here about the of culture upon nature which I will not
>go into here...).
>
>But leaders and managers in an organisation are not outside the system,
>nor at a higher logical level than others in the organisation. *That* is
>one of the great fallacies of the mechanical view. It also seems to be a
>fallacy of much so-called systems thinking.
>
>We are literally 'all in it together' and one of the great lessons we have
>to learn is how to stop behaving as if we were outside the system and
>learn to work *with* the system in appropriate ways.

Thank you Richard, I was still wondering how to put this. I think this is
also the message from Peter Senge: The first four disciplines are needed
as necessary conditions so that system thinking can become fruitful also
in those relevant cases, when
 - there are many thinkers and
 - they are all part of the system.

In books on systemical interventions on organizations written for
consultants, I have seen the argument, that the main advantage of a
consultant is that s/he is not part of the system. Furthermore their main
challenge is not to become part of the system. This is the gardeners
perspective. The trouble (in my eyes) comes from the fact that no garden
hires a gardener, while organizations hire consultants. And even if the
consultant is hired by the owner of an organization, the "vegetation"
consists of
 - many thinkers and
 - they are all part of the system

Liebe Gruesse,
Winfried

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