Independence Day (US) LO28800

From: Jan Lelie (
Date: 07/08/02

Replying to LO28783 --

Dear Rick, dear reader,

Perhaps us should better create an "Interdependence Day (we)" and a
Declaration of Interdependence. Us seems to have reached the end of the
line of the development of Free and Independent states. The day has come
that we'd better recreate - or reconceive, or regain, or reconstruct - new
social environments that are less alienating and less destructive.

The Statement of Independence seems clearly an excuse for becoming
independent from the British Crown. Now we are becoming more and more
dependent on each other again (or on oil and natural gaz, that is about
the same). To me it seems to be either that or one against all the rest.
The latter is the basic mythical tale of the US: the lone ranger. The
mythical tale in The Netherlands is all together against a common enemy.
Both tales have serverd their purpose. It is time for new tales. We'll
need a renewed tale to tell, new, refound, truths, new forms.

For instance: what are the self-evidents truths of today? I might assume
that we're born all different, that life means coming to terms with your
own differences; that happiness is the state of acceptance of your own
self. The only Freedom one has, is to feel free. This can be accomplished
by accepting the differences between people and creating an
interdependence system. Every being should have the opportunity - the
unalienable right - to become itself. A governement - from people by
people - should support beings in becoming stronger. The trouble with
politics - and religion - is that it offers only one way out: adapt or

Kind regards,

Jan Lelie

Richard Karash wrote:

> This is July 4th, Independence Day in the US. Over the past couple of
> years, my thoughts have turned from time to time to the grand ideas,
> radical ideas at the time, involved in the founding of our country. We
> may not always live up to these, but the ideals themselves are worthy of
> re-examination.



With kind regards - met vriendelijke groeten,

Jan Lelie

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