Learning vs. Schooling LO29250

From: Jan Lelie (janlelie@wxs.nl)
Date: 10/01/02

Replying to LO29242 --

Hello Ana, dear reader,

Real men never grow up, so they can go on learning ;-).

Teaching learning is teaching the impossible, to paraphrase Kurt Vonnegut.
Schools are fine institutions,as long as you remember that people learn
despite schooling. Most people learn from their peers. And - in my view -
the most important things are not formally taught on schools. You'll learn
a the form - language, maths, art, science - of the basic disciplines, but
not the content. This is because most teachers can not establish the
required feedback for teaching the content, mainly because the groups are
to big. So schools usually focus on traditions, they are part of
tradition. As one teacher once told me: "children learn from each other
the new ways and than go back to school be taught the old ways" This is
what organisations could have offered: they could have learned you the
content, they could support people in developing into more complete
persons, the way it used to be thaught in communities. But they don't
because we have been framed them as "firms" and have defined people as
"resources". This wouldn't be a problem if we'd remembered we have choice
- and that organisations would learn people that the have a choice - but
it is more efficient - it is, there is no denying - not to having to think
you have a choice. So it goes.

I would suggest that learning has to do with being an end in yourself and
teachning with being a resource. Slowly, very slowly we will discover

Please feel free to disagree,

Jan Lelie

ana wandless wrote:

>I'm new to this list and new to the area of Organizational Learning. As
>part of an ongoing research project, I'm interested in these ideas as they
>intersect with wider discourses on "lifelong learning."
>I have a question to pose to the group, and that is what is the
>relationship, if any, between learning organizations and those
>institutions in which traditionally organized learning took place-schools?
>In theory, would they replace schools? Or would we work to instill the
>organizational principles of LOs in already-existing educational


Jan Lelie <janlelie@wxs.nl>

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