democracy LO29321

From: Ray Evans Harrell (
Date: 10/15/02

Replying to LO29315 --

Well said, but I wonder what a really radical left wing philosopher of the
old school would say about such things. I feel we will eventually meet
them in the cultures of China where there is more cement in the various
groups than in the old Soviet Union. I cannot imagine China coming apart
the way the disparate Soviet states did. Add to that the work ethic, the
willingness to go where the West is not, in cloning and stem cell research
and you could have both the capital and the workers to come up with a
totally different idea about work, systems and the future of global trade.

They solved many of the issues that today bother countries that are still
just a polyglot of cultural world views with no central core. A system
that has no bones can only survive as long as the muscle doesn't break
down or run out of fuel. There have been many "Democracies" but the ones
that lasted were basically mono-cultural. I suspect the same is true of
the larger systems as well. That was the point of the book "Culture
Matters" published not so long ago which explored many of these issues but
basically from the right wing political perspective.

I don't believe this is over and if we can't come up with systems that
transcend the old duality, much of this discussion is probably moot.

Ray Evans Harrell, artistic director
The Magic Circle Opera Repertory Ensemble, Inc.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Jan Lelie" <>
To: <>
Sent: Tuesday, October 15, 2002 8:16 AM
Subject: democracy LO29315

> Dear Andrew, hello LO-reader,
> Such a nice quote, what a bright light, a razor sharp observation. Is
> there also something about the way to implement these kinds of discources?
> Faith,
> Jan
> wrote:
> >"Democracies "show up" in the give-and-take of civic discourse. The
> >capacity for ongoing dialogue is the measure of a democracy's robustness
> >as a system meant to operate as a marketplace of ideas. The vitality of
> >that dialogue determines the woof and weft from which the societal net is
> >woven that gives shape to democracy's future. Dialogue is the domain where
> >values are prioritized and meaning is made. It is in those networks of
> >dialogue that democracies reside, and from that realm the system's rules
> >emerge. Democracies succeed to the extent that they evoke those
> >relationships required to ensure that the system grants influence to those
> >its operations influence."


"Ray Evans Harrell" <>

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