Replying to LO29623 --
(Excuse me Rick, I hit the send button too early)
[Host's Note: I believe Jan wants us to read this one; the previous
message was an unfinsihed draft. Sometimes this happens. Sorry I didn't
catch this in time. ..Rick]
Feal this, deer reeder; hello At,
Eyelash to wholeness is both a lack of "hard wiring" and an opportunity
for - perhaps triple loop - learning, third order change.
For me it is not a matter of conditions. There are no conditions for
change. Everything changes. Even the requirement for enough free energy is
illusive. If there is not enough of it now, nature will transform, develop
using smaller steps, until there is a situation that contains the required
complexity and the opportunity, the fluctuation of the required free
energy to transform. The metaphore of the butterfly and the caterpillar
comes to mind: the butterfly is already contained inside the caterpillar
and the caterpillar just has to eat and eat and eat. And if there is not
enough, this caterpillar will dye. Wholeness is already inside each of us,
we're just digesting thoughts and feelings, creating and destroying
opportunities for transformation. The new wholeness will then again mutate
for the next new wholeness. Nothing new under the sun. And even the sun is
not new.
We do not need a sense for wholeness to be able to change, improve,
transform. For me it is just as you said: i, you, we have always known it,
it has been there, it is both waiting for me, you, us and we, you're, i am
waiting for it. Like speaking prose we all doing it. I would even go
further: we all desire wholeness and resist it. We long for wholeness,
because we want to feel complete, wholeness, redemption, freedom. We
resist wholeness (etc.), because we do not want to feel incomplete,
unwhole (there is our 'heelmeester", Leo) unfree, "bad". So we're fighting
reality! We are - everybody is, everything is - incomplete. Unwholeness
(incompleteness, apartheid) is a necessary condition for change,
evolution, awareness and becoming complete. The rejection of the desire
for incompleteness, blocks us to experience wholeness. In my opinion we
can not become whole unless we experience both wholeness and unwholeness.
These are two different aspects of the same phenomena.
For me, it was the most painfull experience in my life to experience the
desire for incompleteness and most people will resist the feeling - not
the thought, you've noticed the though, but the feeling, the
identification, the bcoming whole with the notion - of desiring to be
incomplete. So my suggestion would be to turn it around: we should
acknowledge, accept the feeling of incompleteness.
As i've said earlier, i do believe that with us - humanity - the universe
- an other, more poetic, word for wholeness - has become aware of itself.
It was probably both an unintended error ("When God created Man, She was
joking") and a lucky triumph, a Pyrrus triumph. It must have felt so
painful - ignorance is bliss - being driven out of paradise. Humanity, and
the whole planet has had a very hard time coping with this. We're still
fighting about it. Why are we here? Who are we? How are we to live?
About a century ago we became aware of our own evolution. We almost
immediately repressed these concepts, because it also implied that we were
fighting each other for the wrong reasons. We're still fighting the idea,
because everything might have only one purpose and reason: to speed up
evolution, developing more wholeness, creating more complexity. And we've
been hard wired to believe that this conflicts with our own, personal
existence. In my opinion it doesn't, but, as you also mentioned, i've
never been able to think otherwise.
Have to go, answer the door
Jan
AM de Lange wrote:
>Jan Lelie <janlelie@wxs.nl> writes:
>
>>I'll try to be short. Wholeness, in my opinion, is not so
>>different from "evolution" or "will" or "god", "heel de wereld",
>>even "reality". They are different atributes of the same
>>underlying process phenomena that we can experience - in
>>dreams, visions, while meditating or sometime just when
>>you're ordering a bread at the baker's or looking at a person.
>
>I think i understand what you are saying, but i also think it is very
>difficult to articuate what your thoughts had been.
>
>Thank you Jan for your valuable thoughts. Sometimes i wonder whether this
>"blind to wholeness" is not a case of hard-wiring rather than a lack of
>learning.
--Drs J.C. Lelie (Jan, MSc MBA) facilitator mind@work
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