LO as paradise lost and liberation LO29824

From: Don Dwiggins (DonD@advancedmp.com)
Date: 01/20/03

Mark writes in LO29760:

> Next, what's your take (or others') on the statement Jan makes: "She notes
> that The Fifth Discipline contains all or most of the important Christian
> values (integrity, freedom, loyality, openness, forgiveness) but lacks a
> normative framework"?

> I think I agree with this question. In other words, what do the five
> disciplines map into, or onto? What is the theory of organizational
> behavior that the five-discipline idea of practice relates to? What is
> the 'thing' that the act of practicing the five disciplines has impact on,
> and why is it five and not six, etc.? How do the five kinds of practices
> map into or onto the thing we're trying to have impact on? What is the
> vision of the underlying thing, or the view of what a healthy learning
> organization looks like that logically leads to Peter's five disciples and
> not some other five, six, or a hundred and six? Where is the underlying
> normative (or even descriptive) model?

These are good questions, except for the word "the", implying that there
must be exactly one such model. The 5Ds may be compatible with several
models, that in their full elaboration may be incompatible with each

It's probably a good thing that Senge didn't try to elaborate his
principles into such a "normative framework" in his book (or its
successors). There'll be time enough, when many good examples of LOs
exist, for experience with them to provide a good foundation for such


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