Ubuntu LO13485

Cornie Malan (MalanCT@spnnis01.eskom.co.za)
Sat, 03 May 1997 20:41:21 +0200

Replying to LO13361 --

Winfried Dressler wrote:

> What happens to a person who does not behave according to the rules of
> his role in ubuntu, i.e. a "father" who violates the rules of being a
> "father"? Is the worth of this person still recognised without
> question?

For me it does not matter. The basis of ubuntu for me is that the contract
is not the reason for treating the other person with respect. The worth of
the person is still recognised without question.

> Nevertheless I agree with you, if you regret that in our "civilized"
> "western" world, patterns of good social behaviour are not well
> established and that you are often fooled if you act according them.
> Yet social security as well as physical security (food, clothing,
> housing) is the ground on which higher values can develop and grow.

I sometimes think that patterns of good behavior are unlearnt, if I look
at my baby boy and sees how he trusts and smiles at people. Why do we
then later in life put on the masks of distrust and good social behaviour?

> I think that the balance between playing a role (including the
> ability to change the role if necessary) and being an individual
> person is a big issue for learning organisations and also in this
> list.
> I like to distinguish between learning (skills to play roles) and
> growing (as an individual person). Learning can, but need not lead
> to growing. In this sense, social systems as ubuntu can support but
> also supress growth.

It is difficult for me to understand what you mean here, but I read in it
that there is a difference between the roles required in a learning
organisation, and the real self. I do not think so. I agree that we need
skills, but what we really need in organisations are the real people, and
not their masks.


Thanks, Cornie Malan (+27)11-871-2277 MalanCT@spnnis01.eskom.co.za PS: Show up, be aware, tell the truth, and don't panic!

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