Mike Jay wrote:
> On Saturday, December 06, 1997 8:32 AM, Simon Buckingham wrote:
>
> >We are all disabled, we are all going to die, and the imperative for each
> >of us is to do all we can with our interests and talents (lifestreams)
> >whilst we are alive to help ourselves and others.
>
> The statement you made above--clearly sets the stage--is an assumption
> dealing with your (and my) cognitive map of reality and an explanation of
> the meaning of life. In order to derive the conclusions of your higher
> order of beliefs in unorg, one must (or so it seems) subscribe to this
> "zero-order" belief:
> "imperative for each of us is to do all we can with our interests
> and talents (lifestreams) whilst we are alive to help ourselves and
> others."
>
> I'm not so sure that people will do that and basically if they don't it
> nullifies--in my view--a large part of the unorg philosophy.
Mike- please do not draw wide conclusions about unorg from side statements
like this- as Cliff did before you. Unorg is in no way dependent upon
people doing all they can- its about seeing the mechanisms that allow this
are in place (the fundamental forces)- so that people can relaize their
potential if they want- no-one is going to force anyone to pursue anything
they don't want to. At the moment, there are barriers to even trying. As
such, nothing is nullified by this partial fragmented statement.
> I've noticed
> that most of your posts assume reality to be as you see it, rather than
> perhaps how it is? Of course, I see no problem with this until you
> present unorg as a unified theory.
Its actually my personal reality- I have implemented or been involved in
all the ideas that unorg encompasses and it works very well for me- we
need to work out what the differences between you and me are, whether they
can be overcome to see if unorg applies to you, but I have no reason to
doubt that it does. I am convinced about it- it is such a valuable tool in
predicting how people with organized midsets are going to react.
I do see unorganization as a unified theory explaining personal, social,
political, business and economic matters at all levels for everyone.
Einstein aimed for a unified theory and never found one- that did not
detract from the value or that truth that he did find. "Success is a
journey, not a destination". I have just read "The One Best Way" about
Frederick Taylor's Scientific Management- his unified theory, a
fascinating book not so much for the ideas of course but for the process
he embarked upon to get his ideas known and implemented. He said "In the
past man has been first. In the future the System must be first". Of
course, I am trying to move back from System to people- men and women.
> I still think this is where ALL of us are making mistakes. We are taking
> a "good" paradigm and extending it to places where it loses its
> effectiveness. (Who said that strengths amplified become weaknesses?) We
> are living in an age where the mechanical/command and control structure
> has been extended perhaps as far as it can go and in some cases it has
> become a weakness--as you and Cliff point out. I believe that unorg will
> work in some places better than anything else I've seen and if that is the
> acknowledgement you seek--you have it from me. <little good that will do
> you<g>>
I seek not acknowledgement, just truth. People can choose to thrive or
just survive, they may as well thrive as the mechanisms are in place that
allow this. Either way, I am not affected- non-implementation does not
disprove the value of unorg, successful implementation in no way hinders
my progress- and may not necessarily benefit me directly or indirectly-
people can implement without me knowing- that is fine- thats why the
materials are free of charge. The secret of success is to defunct
yourself- and reinvent yourself through learning.
> In being an intuitive model developer myself--as there seems to be a
> confluence of such on this list as well as a couple of others--we all seem
> to be buying into our own reality and attempting to "extend" that ad
> infinitum.
Its not my own reality- its the reality of the world seen from my
perspective. You seem to imply self-promotion in me promoting unorg,
rather than helping others. I don't promote unorg for my own benefit- I
promote it because it contains truth useful to improving circumstances-
capitalism is flawed, technological capitalism combines economic equality
with very free markets- I fee morally obligated to communciate those ideas
for consideration in places like South Africa, India, Japan and Brazil,
and believe them to be of use there. We live in a new world and we need
paradigms to understand and act in that world- these are completely new
paradigms and unorg is useful for explaining that world. It is not a
question of stretching the ideas to other areas- the fact is that there
will be increasingly less differences between work and play and politics
and economics- they are all merging once artificial structures and labels
are removed- and they are all going to driven by the same underlying
mechanisms- hence, a unified theory becomes possible. The same sorts of
problems from lack of incentives and independence affect companies, teams,
political parties and all other collective groupings.
> There have been several who have spoken of the need for what works, rather
> than what is right and that is where I believe we can make the most
> progress in organizations. Why try to make the shoe fit? Why not go in,
> figure out how the shoe needs to be used and what will be required of the
> people wearing those shoes and then being the "shoemaker" who has access
> to an infinite variety of materials, construct a shoe that will wear and
> perform--of course considering the fit?
Downstructuring is a tool- every company that implements it removes a
different process or procedure that is causing their employees particular
annoyance.
I hope unorg is proven or disproven by implementations in practice- we
will never know how right or wrong its ideas are just by continuing this
discussion! I would not like anyone to conclude unorg is not of potential
use to them from these exchanges of posts- but to feel interested enough
to go and explore them in more detail and start to implement them and look
at the results.
regards sincerely Simon Buckingham
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