Origin of Power LO24478

From: Gavin Ritz (garritz@xtra.co.nz)
Date: 04/27/00

Replying to LO24414 --

Dear DP

It is really very simple, and you may check it out for your self however
you have a point if this model stops working, I or other can prove it to
be false then I will use another useful model.

Motivation which means to move from the Greek can be simply summed up as
the tension between our fears (the emotion of separation) and the
hoped-for (expectations, ideals, needs, desires, wants, advantages, etc).
Motivation is an action driven by a force to act.

And Power is the same thing (tension) just the aggregated form of all
values in a society. All human action can be explained by this. If it
can't then the model only works sometime until then I will use it and
discard it when the time comes.


dpdash@ximb.ac.in wrote:

> AM de Lange quoted Gavin Ritz:
> [words in square brackets added]
> > I still have not observed one human action that cannot be
> > explained [OR DESCRIBED?] in very simple motivational terms and its
> > aggregated form POWER and dependence.
> -----
> I am going to present an independent response to Gavin, i.e., independent
> of what At wrote. Gavin, it seems you have found what you believe to be an
> 'explanation' of human action. I wonder why you treat that as a 'good
> explanation'.

It might not be.

> There are many questions marks here. 'Motivation' may be an entirely
> fictitious notion. A respondent may agree that she indeed had a motivation
> before she initiated an action; but she might be entirely mistaken. There
> might be other (e.g., less conscious, less personal) pressures pushing her
> in the direction of that action. Often the stated motivations are far from
> authentic. For example, a manager might say (or even believe) that he
> wants to maximise shareholders' value, but actually act in order to
> maximise his own value! Sometimes, an action can be an anticipatory
> response to someone else's assumed motivation! These considerations
> suggest to me that 'motivation' might be quite like the hypothetical
> entity called aether: believed in the 19th century to be a medium that
> fills all space.

Correct but each has a motivation according to their map of the world and
others. If this notion works now I will use it if it fails to work later I
will find another model that is useful.

> However, I appreciate your statement in the sense that most actions can be
> 'described' in motivational terms. But, I suspect that this type of
> description is not always useful, especially if all the parties involved
> in some context accuse each other of 'motivations' that neither party can
> prove or disprove.
> Some 'motivation' stories are simply apocryphal in nature. Now and then
> you come across the story of some child who was motivated to serve the
> people from a very young age, or one who was motivated to change the world
> at his very first encounter with injustice. Such stories can be quite
> motivating to the credulous mind however!

Well it sounds like this person is motivated by the value of freedom and
justice, it is simple as that.
The reasons that this person has this value is something different though.


Gavin Ritz <garritz@xtra.co.nz>

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