S=(E-F)/T LO25492

From: Gavin Ritz (garritz@xtra.co.nz)
Date: 10/19/00

Replying to LO25487 --

Hi Roger

Roger Key wrote:

> HI All, Hi Winfried
> >I wished the future could be anything I want it to be. But for none of the
> >options will prevent me from dying, maybe I can learn to imagine then that
> >I have had the brightest life I could ever wish for in the past?
> >
> >Hmm. ;-)
> What is dying? Is it a ceasation of your work? Well Darwin and Plato
> and... are all great yet their work continues. Maybe they do not modify
> it by we can look at any field of study and see the impact of long gone
> peoples. So our ideas do not die. Well the meat of us dies then. What
> is the flesh? it is an expression of the DNA and the environment. We
> pass out DNA to our children and we impact our environment by being here -
> which is pretty much part 1. But our children carry our DNA, our children
> are us. We do not die, we just continue in a different manner.
> Pirsig in "Lila" suggests that in evolutionary terms, and I think from a
> systems view, the individual is a lower form of evolution to society and
> that society is in turn lower than intelect. Each of these being an
> emergent property of the former.
> You have any past you desire. The past that does not allow life is one
> that limits life to a narrow definition that you / I currently hold. Does
> the same hold true for a Bhuddist (I am guessing that you are not
> bhuddist). Or do Richard Bach and Leslie Parrish (if they are still
> together?) not have the undying future that they explore in "The Bridge
> Across FOrever" or the unlimited futures that he expolores in Johnathan
> Livingstone Seagull?
> So he may be wrong, bhuddists may be wrong, Christians may be wrong. It
> may al end on that final breath, but at that piint you are beyond careing.
> Your future CAN be anything you wish - just hold onto the dream until you
> are past careing. And your immortality will be assured through your
> children - either through the DNA they carry or the love and understanding
> they have learnt from you and take on to future generations. There they
> do not even need to be your biological children for you to be immortal.
> "It take a whole village to raise a child". and through that child the
> whole village is immortal.
> "The biggest crime in the universe is limiting the IS...."

A whole lot of interesting things mentioned here, immortality, perfection,
beauty, succession, success, expansion, infinite, heaven. Ideas to Ideals,
hopes, wished for situations.

Some great human motivators, here are some great human motivational
opposites of those things. fear of death, fear of failure, fear of loss,
fear contraction, fear of hell, disdain of ugliness, feared disadvantages
of being forgotten.

Some nice algedonic signals.

We are all wrong in the end. These ideals reside solely in the human mind.

How about this- there is absolutely no meaning in life at all. Just the
meaning we give it through our rituals , religions, ideals, hopes,
aspirations, wishes, longings, desires, expectations.

We do not even understand one millionth of the history of the world.
Mostly lost in the mists of time.



Gavin Ritz <garritz@xtra.co.nz>

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