I Want To Hear Your Voices, Doing Nothing LO27268

From: Bill Harris (bill_harris@facilitatedsystems.com)
Date: 09/24/01

"Magic Circ Op Rep Ens" <mcore@nyc.rr.com> wrote:

John Dicus <jdicus@ourfuture.com> wrote:

> Please write in. From wherever you are. In the midst of whatever you are
> doing. Say a paragraph. Say one word. Just say you are here. Say how
> you are. Say what you need. Share something. Share you hurt. Offer
> hope. Be afraid. Just let me hear your voice in the circle. I want to
> hear the ringing of 1800 voices.


So much good material is here that I often don't have time to read it, let
alone reply anymore. Yet I did skim the list recently for thoughts on
9/11 and found good, deep, and methinks important thinking.

I'll avoid "me-too" comments, but ...

Jan Lelie <janlelie@wxs.nl> wrote:

> I suppose your question is about the complexity of the systems we live in.
> It was also mentioned by Rick in LO27235: the system issues are neglected.
> As with all major disasters (man made - like this, the Titanic, W.W.II and
> I - or otherwise made ("acts of God"), earthquakes, flooding, storms),
> there is an inverse law at work: large disaster occur more rarely and
> small disaster more often. The funny thing is - i live in The Netherlands

There's an interesting (to me) phenomenon known as 1/f noise. There was
an interesting and somewhat philosophical article on that in the
Proceedings of the IEEE no later than about 1982 and maybe as far back as
1960; I don't recall anymore.

1/f noise is noise whose power spectral density is proportional to the
reciprocal of frequency. What is interesting is that, when people have
measured it, it holds over all ranges of frequency people have tried.
That is, if you expand frequency down to very low values (very long time
periods), you find that the amplitude of the "noise" is still
proportionally higher.

I haven't described it very well, and I'm no longer a practicing engineer,
so it'd take me some time that I don't have today to do it justice (or
even to find a good reference), but it seemed to align quite well with
what Jan was describing. Perhaps it can lead to increased understanding
of the system(s) in which we live, building off Jan's introduction.


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