slowing the progress of an ignorance LO30488

From: AM de Lange (
Date: 08/21/03

Replying to LO30478 --

Dear Organlearners,

Andrew Campbell < > wrote

>Way back in 1995 this community hit, for me, a momentary
>high point...but as ever it is a quote, of a quote of a misquote
>...but still, even so here it is..." she seemed to use the term to
>point in the direction of play at the edge of human knowledge
>and awareness. As I understand it, it is a spiritual level of play,
>an enlightening experience of the cosmic dance. Complexity,
>chaos, paradox, wisdom, and foolishness abide there and
>occasionally a few souls experience that realm and return to
>tell of it."

Greetings dear Andrew,

That which you have quoted is the outcome of authentic learning. It is to
explore the unknown for not other reason than to know it. Sometimes i
wonder if an OO (Ordinary Organisation) will ever become a LO (Learning
Organisation) if this spirit of authentic learning is not present.

This spirit of authentic learning is more than Personal Mastery. It
involves also the other four disciplines (Team Learning, Mental Models,
Shared Vision and Systems Thinking). It connects all five disciplines into
one seamless endeavour. This ought to answer your question

>How many of us are, at heart, really fragmenters?

You also wrote

>I am starting to see this whole quasi industrialisation of this
>openly sharing of ideas 'capitalism', as something very different
> ...very different from the ''nice'' adjectival angles it clings to
> ...could it even be a sub set of terrorism? What are we
>contributing to the growing shadowlands of terrorism?

We in South Africa learned that terrorism results when some people exclude
others on some criterium like race, religion, language, culture or
adminstrative capacity. When i look carefully at what is happening in Iraq
or the Congo as well as what had happend in for example Kosovo or East
Timor, this lesson is much in need of there too. Exclusion, i.e.,
fragmentation, is at the heart of many a violent conflict.

>To whom did Jesus appear as a terrorist?

Jesus task was to restore wholeness among people and between people and
God. Those who benefitted because of their exclusivity spread the message
that Jesus was no good for society. The irony was that he had to die for
his message while the real terrorist Barnabas was freed. Now, two thousand
years later, Jesus' life, death and resurrection still grip the hearts of
many people. But what do they know of Barnabas? He had no message like
Jesus. He only caused violent conflict because he wanted to benefit from

With care and best wishes


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