Replying to LO26801 --
Replying to LO26801 --
Hello LO-ers, hello At,
You're welcome.
At, you remarked on a correspondence between my operational definition of
problems (unbalance between expectations and reality) and Goethe's ideas
on Truth, Self and MetaMorphosis. (# It's just me, myself and I #,
Soul2Soul). Who am i to question Goethe? Definitely Goethe or not-Goethe!
I agree with your / his remarks and your conclusions. However i did not
think that the difference between the Self and the External (= truth) is a
problem, i stated that as an operational definition i assume that the
truth is a problem. I think, and i think you agree, that problems are THE
truth.
Years and years ago i assimilated a remark from Chris Argyris that many
problems (still) exist because we:
- have been taught to tell the truth EXCEPT when we think that the truth
may hurt
- have been taught to tell the truth and act as if the former is not the
case
- have been taught to cover up the former rules.
I then got the idea that perhaps THE problem is a MetaProblem: the
division of "the whole" into the self and the external world (creating the
situation were problems appear) can be "solved" by the metamorphosis
consisting of the re-uniting of the two. The problem being that when the
two are re-united, problems cease to exist. THE problem therefore: " 'ts
Life itself " (Pun intended by the author. Any resemblance to actual lives
being funny or situations having problems is accidental and unintended. No
animals were hurt in solving this problem).
All the best to you,
Jan Lelie
AM de Lange wrote:
> Greetings dear Jan,
>
> Thank you for sharing your thoughts with us. We let them question
> our thoughts and we will question them ;-)
>
> Your operational definition reminds me of Goethe. He stressed often
> that "I had never separated these two", i.e. the Self and the External
> World. He thought of the relationship between the two as "truth"
> (whereas you think of it as "problem"). Thus he wrote: "And so each
> can have his own truth, and it is neverteless always the same." (For
> you it can be written "And so each can have his own problem, and it
> is neverteless always the same." As for him, the "metamorphosis"
> (for you it would be "solution") of this "truth" helped him profoundly to
> excell in his artistic gift.
-- With kind regards - met vriendelijke groeten,Jan Lelie
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