Freedom, Peace and the LO LO27156 -Part 1.

From: Dressler, Winfried (
Date: 08/23/01

Replying to LO27106 --

>We will finally use one key word for each category in the last search to
>indicate even more complexity.
>Search Hits Key words in addition to: freedom, peace
>(21) 2 creativity, wholeness, "entropy production"
>One of these hits is a passionate contribution by fellow learner Winfried
>Dressler on our LO-list

And of course I was interested to see which contribution this was. So I
repeated the search. I also got 2 hits, one being a passionate contribution
by a fellow learner on our LO-list
But it was't me.


Dear At,

thank you for these rich pictures on freedom and peace and especially the
concise summary at the end of part two:

>Each system which organises
>spontaneously, must have its own sources of free energy to sustain its
>work. This is freedom. Each such system must not be deluged by entropy
>produced elsewhere, but allowed to create self constructively. This is

What I will have to give more thought once again is that you name sources
of free energy as food, be it physical or mental (information), also your
warning to distinguish food from junk food will need more thinking.

Energy is bound in the organization of the food. The digestive process is
the transformation of this organization in a way that part of the energy is
available as free energy for the digestor. This process will require some of
the previously already available free energy of the digestor. This is the
emphasis on the content of the process. When thinking about junk food or
"junkformation", I am concerned with the form. I think the "junk" is not a
"quality", judgement of the food, which is just the way it is, but of the
food in relation to the digestive system. Then I would define the
"junk"-relation as: getting less free energy from the food than spending in
its digestion, thus ending up with less free energy. Thinking about such
food-digestor-relations, 3 more come to mind:
"feeding"-relation: the opposite of the "junk"-relation
"medizine"-relation: emphasis is not on the content of free energy, but on
its constructive influence on form
"poison"-relation: like medicine, but with destructive influence on form.

I am also struggling with what "mental free energy" could be. Frankly my
mental model on this is/was the same as the one that led me to claim, that
"temperature" for the force-flux-equation of spiritual entropy production
is the same as the physical temperature of the body. There is only one
free energy. The rest is a question of levels of organization up to the
spheres of mind and spirit. And this free energy is gained by eating food
or utilizing other sources of physical free energy like lying in the sun.
In this model, information can only connect in a form-like relation like
the extremes medizine and poison above, but not as a source of free

But there has been this disturbing questioning of you just before my
holiday, and this even more disturbing "beyond" by Gavin, which made me
realize that I have used my learning on your deep creativity to make
myself comfortable in a world without "beyond". What does make me so
reluctant to think of real "mental free energy"? On one level, I see a big
accomplishment towards wholeness that the same physical laws apply to
earth and the sky above with the planets and stars (not only isomorphic
laws). But on another level, although I am sure that I am not endangered
too much to serve as food self for others physically, I am not so sure
mentally and spiritually. Here I feel more like a frightened child. I
remember that the relation between openness as an essentiality and
protection as a necessity was of major importance to our dear Leo a good
while ago.

Whatever may be the outcome of this questioning, I am very grateful to see
how much freedom and peace depends form our behaviour as consumer. We
still have the choice. Let us remember that this is not true for many,
many poor people. Which path are we following in choosing? This is not a
question of goals as usual for decision making. This is a question of

Liebe Gruesse,


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