Socially constructed warLO30049

From: Jan Lelie (
Date: 04/04/03

Replying to LO30045 --

Hi Joe, Ellery, Vana and other dear constructioners of societies,

Neither: the logics - or better, the ethics, the rules and principle for
constructing reality - that brought us the LO is not different from the
logics (ethics, socics = the rules for constructing societies) that
brought us war. Both have been build on the assumption that it is alright
we try to "control", or "influence" or "change" or "teach" - pick
whatever you prefer - the behaviour of somebody else. For me, we seem to
assume that as long as i have the right intentions, goals, objective,
rules, vision, afterlife - pick again - "I cry for you, I deeply
sympathize" - it's alright that we interfere in people lives. Without
checking if the other knows how to handel him or herself.

Another assumption crossed my mind: we do not have to take into account
the different behaviours generated by different circumstances. We seem to
act as if people behave indifferent from the circumstances (including
physical, mental and culural) they find themselves in and are only
accountable for their own behaviour. I do not want to say that we can
blame circumstances for our behaviour, that is the same thing as not
acknowledging the circumstance. I'm inclined to think however that other
are much more influenced by their circumstance then we usually assume.

For what it's worth,

Kind regards,

Jan Lelie

PODOLSKY,JOE (HP-Cupertino,ex1) wrote:

>One interpretation of Ellery's and Vana's comments is that violence,
>tragedy, greed, and foolishness are the usual state of world affairs, with
>peace, kindness, and goodwill being the exception.


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