Sense-making with the dialogue LO30133

From: AM de Lange (
Date: 04/22/03

Replying to LO30106 --

Dear Organlerners,

Jan Lelie < > writes:

>Greetings to you too, At, and dear reader,

The same from here.

>The feeling of sense-making "is" however paradoxical (you
>must "dividualise" to become self-aware: make a split between
>your individual being and your mind, and at the same time
>continu to function as one). This generates an interior dialogue
>- this is why i like the title - everybody has. A kind of noise in
>your head, a constant chattering, the stuff dreams are made of.
>These whispers, thoughts, ideas - let's call them expectations -
>have to be checked against the world out-there. To experience,
>to see, to feel, to check if they make sense. We have developed
>-or achieved, or have been rewarded with - the ability to share
>our thoughts through language.

Thank you for highlighting this issue. I know the "chattering within the
mind" too well not to be moved by you clear description. But is it a
dialogue or is it our way to make up for the abscence of the dialogue and
the learning organisation within to practice it safely? Or is it something
else like one of the inevitable manifestations of our consciousness?

What i do know is that this "chattering within the mind" starts for me a
few moments after i wake up and ends a few minutes before i fall asleep.
But it also also ceases when i get drawn into an authentic dialogue with
others. Yet sometimes someone say something which keeps on "chattering
within my mind", so much so that i lose the thread of the dialogue.

Is this "chattering within the mind" a kind of dialogue or is it the
actual process of sense making? What do you fellow learners think? Are
there othger processes of sense making?

>Into the dialogue we introduce an individual aspect, a
>personal aspect. This is - in my opinion not wrong, only
>natural, but in its consequence counter-productive. It
>blocks us from some relational aspects we need to
>"make the creative change".
>I'm afraid this doesn't sound too clear. I'll come back to it later.

I wish you would. For me the sharing of individual thoughts is vital in
shaping each of them so that eventually a common meaning emerge. What
hinders the dialogue is this inability to shape one's own thoughts, or to
know exactly when and why not to do it, when the thoughts of others become

With care and best wishes


At de Lange <> Snailmail: A M de Lange Gold Fields Computer Centre Faculty of Science - University of Pretoria Pretoria 0001 - Rep of South Africa

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