altruism LO28530

From: AM de Lange (
Date: 05/17/02

Replying to LO28515 --

Dear Organlearners,

Judy Tal <> writes:

>Dear Andrew, At and Organlearners,
>You should know that part of my free energy is
>engaged in admiration. How do you dear fLOwers
>manage to read and digest (how else? :-) one thought,
>and then create and formalise another (in words ...
>Andrew adds colour too :-), and stay reliable (respect
>your liabilities), and stay social ......

Greetings dear Judy,

That you should ask Beethoven ;-) But then, he is not with us any more. So
allow me to tell. He kept a note book in which he wrote down ever musical
idea, how tiny it may be, coming up in his head. In other words, he tried
to articulate his tacit knowing the moment when he became aware of it.

>Did you have "information - communicating" in mind?

No, that is what i have in mind when i articulate it with
"thoughts-exchanging", the LO-dialogue. Just this morning, as went outside
at dawn, i heard birds of many kinds employing this ESC. They are so
excited about the coming new day that they just cannot keep their little
mouths shut! When my wife gets up, we soon began to talk like them too.
Its then when our parrot Caru and parakeet Johny begin to join the
dialogue, trying every human word and bird word in their vocabulary.
Meanwhile our two German sheppard dogs outside are driving our neighbours
crazy because they begin to bark at every stranger passing our house. When
i go to my fish house to feed the fishes, they will also begin to move
around as soon as they see me. But when i begin to speak to them, they
begin to dash around as if telling me how happy they are that a new day is

And what do humans do? How many get up with groans and growls, just to
keep their mouths shut at work in organisations which do not function as
learning organisations?

>The authors claim that altruistic gestures, when
>observed from a different angle (paradigm), namely
>- means of communication, serve as effective
>verifying signals.
>In other words - for a signal to be effective it must
>be reliable, and to be reliable it must impose a cost
>(a handicap) on the signaller.

I am not going to argue upon this, nor to comment on it. I know too little
of their work and i am too far involved with the distinction between
information and knowledge as well as its vast consequences. Anyway, they
have something different in mind than i.

I will rather disclose the possible sixth ESC which i had in mind for so
long. It is "care-taking".

Our parrot Caru (a Macaw) is particular sensitive to "care-taking". My
wife raised him/her since he/she was a 10 days old chick. My wife is for
Caru the most admired parrot in life. So when she, the mother parrot,
gives too little care to Caru in the morning, he/she will sulk the whole
day. That evening Caru will give my wife nasty bites rather than soft
nibblings with that poweful beak. But even then Caru takes great care not
to give her a vicious bite which heshe indeed can do.

How strong is that beak? Caru loves to be given the bone of a chop. He/
she will sit on one foot, holding the bone in the other foot, and then
nibble off all the pieces of meat which we left on it. But when that is
gone, he goes into 2nd gear. He/she will then begin to gnaw that bone just
like a dog. A stready stream of bits of bone will fall to the bottom. It
takes Caru less than 5 minutes to reduce that bone into dust.

With care and best wishes,


At de Lange <> Snailmail: A M de Lange Gold Fields Computer Centre Faculty of Science - University of Pretoria Pretoria 0001 - Rep of South Africa

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